Madeleine McCann police 'hoping to make first arrests'

comperedna wrote:It was amusing to watch the progress of the 'news' about the supposed impending arrests in the McCann case on Sky rolling news. Around 6pm on Monday it was the first item of the news, with a big picture of Madeleine whilst the headlines were playing... It was still big news around 10pm, but throughout the rest of the late evening and in the small hours it went down and down the list. Brunty came on taking the wind out of the story's sails with a lot of possiblys and maybes, and about the need for these men to be 'interviewed' rather than 'arrested', and soon it was about their need to be eliminated from inquiries! Clearly though the Met has some names for these Portuguese 'burglars' or burglarly suspects; they are not in custody, and not likely to be with all this hoo-hah beforehand. Ridiculous! It simply must be pink spin. It does the Met no favours at all. It just makes them look silly. Can't the SY request that Team McCann shut up? The most these persons are likely to be is witnesses, and perhaps not even that. By yesterday morning when Eammon Holmes started up at 6am on Sunrise the topic had gone completely.

I agree that this makes the Met look bad - Blacksmith seems to think that Clarrie hid his involvement with feeding this to the press and actually GAVE them the story then commented on it as a two -part strategy but aha! he was actually the one who "leaked" it.

I should imagine this will NOT sit well with the Met, someone there has integrity and cares about being made a buffoon, his whole team, or even if he's not on the team his whole organization, bungling round, wasting money and having this kind of story.

comperedna wrote:It was amusing to watch the progress of the 'news' about the supposed impending arrests in the McCann case on Sky rolling news. Around 6pm on Monday it was the first item of the news, with a big picture of Madeleine whilst the headlines were playing... It was still big news around 10pm, but throughout the rest of the late evening and in the small hours it went down and down the list. Brunty came on taking the wind out of the story's sails with a lot of possiblys and maybes, and about the need for these men to be 'interviewed' rather than 'arrested', and soon it was about their need to be eliminated from inquiries! Clearly though the Met has some names for these Portuguese 'burglars' or burglarly suspects; they are not in custody, and not likely to be with all this hoo-hah beforehand. Ridiculous! It simply must be pink spin. It does the Met no favours at all. It just makes them look silly. Can't the SY request that Team McCann shut up? The most these persons are likely to be is witnesses, and perhaps not even that. By yesterday morning when Eammon Holmes started up at 6am on Sunrise the topic had gone completely.

If it is an unauthorised leak they don't need to tell them to shut up - they can simply block the information channel.

How do you mean, Chris?

Do you mean keep them out of ther loop of information from the Met? I don't think they are likely to be in it any more. Maybe Clazza is doing his own thing. What do you think?

More from Blacksmith, who has Clarrie right in the crosshairs:

Wednesday, 15 January 2014
Disintegration Diary
The Stakes:Higher Than Mere Fibbing

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

almostgothic wrote:More from Blacksmith, who has Clarrie right in the crosshairs:

Wednesday, 15 January 2014
Disintegration Diary
The Stakes:Higher Than Mere Fibbing

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks 'almostgothic'- WOW!! Mitchell is an "active accompolice"!!

In 2007/8 Mitchell worked to assist their escape from Portuguese justice planting "elaborately disguised and thoroughly dishonest newsfeeds". Same role, same methods. Same aim
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And that is my question - as we know any time these stories are planted it's to cover up something that looks bad for McCanns or distract from it; what is it this time?

"Just" that Smith efit wasn't even included - the face of the one person that several disinterested parties DID see carrying a child - in the book or on the website until it was ferreted out - and why, because it'd be unhelpful to see the face of a man who was seen scuttling away carrying a child, trying to hide his face, etc - if that man looked like Gerry McCann, and not like a swarthy native?

Or also because they suspect they'll lose the libel trial - and it will come out that rather than deserving to have their forgiveness begged - ack, gagging a bit - that The truth Behind the Lie was just one man's take on the actual investigation, which in fact did not CLEAR them? but left things rather more up in the air than that. ?

I don't see the need for the dishonest and elaborately disguised stories. And I sure wouldn't buy a used car from that man, never mind vote for him to represent me in the body politic.

interested wrote:

almostgothic wrote:More from Blacksmith, who has Clarrie right in the crosshairs:

Wednesday, 15 January 2014
Disintegration Diary
The Stakes:Higher Than Mere Fibbing

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks 'almostgothic'- WOW!!  Mitchell is an "active accompolice"!!  

Do you know what l thought when l read that...... 10th tapas! It would explain an awful lot.

margaret wrote:

interested wrote:

almostgothic wrote:More from Blacksmith, who has Clarrie right in the crosshairs:

Wednesday, 15 January 2014
Disintegration Diary
The Stakes:Higher Than Mere Fibbing

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks 'almostgothic'- WOW!!  Mitchell is an "active accompolice"!!  

Do you know what l thought when l read that...... 10th tapas!  It would explain an awful lot.

Not likely to be Mitchell, himself, for if he'd been in PDL, someone would be bound to remember that face, but someone powerful enough to be able to call on his services. It would explain many things.

Not a mention of burglars or imminent arrests in the Mccann case since the news about the little boy in Edinburgh. I can't recall their names being mentioned in 48 hours. Must be an all time record. Hope this little boy is found safe though. But it's not looking promising with all the news that's now coming out.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/uk-media-reports-arrests-imminent-in-madeleine-mccann-case/30398

by Brendan de Beer, in News · 16-01-2014 14:27:00 · 0 Comments

Following reports that the first arrests in the Madeleine McCann case were imminent the Portuguese Attorney General’s Office this week said it received a ‘note’ from UK officials, adding that it is now expecting a “request for judicial help” in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
UK media reports arrests imminent in Madeleine McCann case

Portuguese authorities explained that they were yet to receive a formal request, but “when that happens, it will be analysed and duly carried out.” Details of the request were not revealed.
British newspapers have been reporting that police were poised to make three arrests in the case, with at least one of these suspects being Portuguese.
A PJ official in Lisbon added this week that the execution of any rogatory letter or request to investigate by the Attorney-General’s Office on behalf of British police will have to comply with Portuguese criminal procedure, which will govern the detention of suspects for the purposes of subsequent interrogation.
Earlier Monday, the Daily Mirror reported that British police were on the verge of making the first arrests in the case.
According to the tabloid, Scotland Yard want to quiz three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort when the three-year-old vanished.
“They hope to speak to the thieves after mobile phone records showed the men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after she disappeared”, the daily said.
A spokesman for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry also told the Daily Mirror: “The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.
“It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don’t know who they have their sights on but it’s likely it is the burglars.
“Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had.
“Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn’t prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is important.
“Kate and Gerry don’t want to build up their hopes too high but they realise it could be a significant new lead.”
An inquiry source also reportedly told the Daily Mirror: “Portuguese police attached no significance to the burglary at the time. British officers regard this as an oversight.”
Portuguese authorities ordered the re-opening of the case into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann last October and immediately excluded the possibility of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of having had any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.
A statement sent to The Portugal News last autumn explained: “The Public Prosecutor’s Office has determined the re-opening of the inquiry relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann following a proposal by the Polícia Judiciária and due to the presentation of new elements which justify the continuation of the investigation.”
While a case review has been underway in Portugal since January 2012, led by leading missing persons detective Helena Monteiro and her team in Oporto, official lines of inquiry were closed in the summer of 2008 by the Attorney-General’s office. At the time, the office said that the case would only be re-opened “should new evidence emerge.”
Reports late last year indicated that the PJ Police, perhaps as a result of headway made following a Crimewatch programme on the BBC, felt they had enough new evidence to initiate an official line of enquiry that could include the questioning of persons of interest and possible suspects.
It is believed the PJ team in Oporto uncovered shortcomings in the initial investigation conducted by their counterparts in the Algarve and were now actively pursuing the theory that Madeleine McCann was abducted from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
Helena Monteiro and her four-man team of detectives, who were handed the case due to their expertise and neutrality, having never worked on it before, are also reported to be keen on speaking to a number of people who were never questioned during the first investigation led by inspectors in the Algarve.
At the time, sources close to the case in Portugal told The Portugal News that they support the Portuguese review in that they hope it will conclude “an investigation which was ended while still in its infancy.”
While Oporto detectives have been working on a review of existing evidence, six detectives from the PJ’s branch in Faro have been assisting their colleagues from Scotland Yard in the ambit of an international co-operation request based on the issuing of rogatory letters. PJ police in Lisbon stressed in comments to The Portugal News that at this stage of the review, the PJ branches in Oporto and Faro are “working independently.”
Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe has also in recent times admitted it would have been “very difficult” for officers in Praia da Luz to know whether they were dealing with a serious crime immediately after the little girl vanished. Speaking on LBC 97.3 radio, he said: “I think sometimes these things at the beginning can be very difficult to deal with, you don’t know exactly if the child has just wandered off. It can be very difficult to know if you’ve got a very serious crime. I’m sure for them that must have been a challenge. Anybody can go back after two, three, five, six years and say ‘why didn’t you do that’? That’s easy in hindsight. We don’t like it when it happens to the Met, and I’m certainly not going to do it to the Portuguese. What I’m determined to do is to work together to make sure we’ve got the best chance to now try to get to the bottom of this terrible tragedy.
“There is a poor family there who’ve got the torture of not knowing whether their daughter is alive or not.”
Madeleine McCann disappeared from Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007 from an apartment where she was sleeping with her younger twin brother and sister while her parents dined at a nearby restaurant.

For the first time I feel inclined to cut Bernard Hogan-Howitzer a bit of slack. He is not usually a person who inspires confidence, in that appears to be more of a politico than a policeman. He is right... what he said in that last paragraph.

How can they be arresting people they have not interviewed and in fact not even seen?  ridiculous

comperedna wrote:For the first time I feel inclined to cut Bernard Hogan-Howitzer a bit of slack. He is not usually a person who inspires confidence, in that appears to be more of a politico than a policeman.  He is right... what he said in that last paragraph.

he's absolutely right - what you see in hindsight is 20/20 and no one likes having their work "reviewed" and rubbished form a safe distance LATER> Let's not forget whose dogs those were - not the PJs! And how Sy would not love to have their own work rubbished which it clearly will be, from the hindsight of the British public and media which is was one thing to do so about a foreign country and trot out all the prejudices (not that all Brits did or do that by any means) and quite another when it's your own force being scrutinized - and after using up £10M of taxpayers money I would imagine the Met is up for a good kicking if they don't find something.

Some cases are just COLD. That is all. Someone sees a flat of kids being left and if they are a pedo and pedos do exist, not that I think they'd go to PDL as a "ring" specifically targeting anything, but if one were there that week in April -May, they could indeed see a vulnerable target, nip in and out - since the checking wasn't anything like what T9 would have us believe - get the kid, not be in there for five minutes total shedding DNA etc, and out and no one the wiser. He could live within half a mile of that resort, this could be his first crime and no case files or history to make him stand out.

In that opportunist pedo scenario the child is not likely to have survived long nor would the person if he was local or a tourist who drove in necessarily leave all kind of clues, hanging about on the phone for hours calling everyone.

It could happen, it could also happen that there is nothing legally worthy of holding McCanns for, apart from the neglect since the dogs aren't evidence without DNA backing it up or a body.

As far as the 3 burglars go, this phone evidence was not available for the PJ (along with a lot of OTHER stuff not made available that was in place like MM and the McCann medical records or the T9 phone records) so how can you take new info and use that to rubbish another force? it'd be like saying that because some force didn't use DNA science in 1970 to solve a crime they were rubbish - well, the science exists now but it didn't then. New also is the unprecendented press involvement.

When they say arrest I read that to mean "detain" ie capture them or FIND them and ask them to come in to be questioned. If they have explanations (at this late date) for the people they talked to and the content of those conversations then that's that. Although asking myself what I was doing and talking about May 2007 would be met with a huge BLANK space, if I went into my accounts and diary I might - MIGHT - be able to tell you where I was and if I could figure out who I had been talking to or what about, that would be a miracle.

My social media presence would be a great clue however I didn't have that prior to 2009 and in no way could go back and look at my phone records based on a number and tell you who that person was without trying to ring them and see who answered.

I agree with most of what BHH said except for the following:

“There is a poor family there who’ve got the torture of not knowing whether their daughter is alive or not.”

I don't like how he states as fact that the McCanns don't know whether Madeleine is dead or alive. This may not be the case. I also don't like how this statement places emphasis on the victimization of the family rather than Madeleine herself. A more appropriate statement in this instance would have been:

"There is a poor little girl out there who may have endured years of torture and sadly may not be alive today."

Yes, jintva, you are right.

Isa Soares ‏@IsaCNN 3m

International letter of Request from the UK authorities on the Madeleine #McCann investigation has now arrived Attorney General's Office.

See here also:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/23/world/europe/portugal-uk-madeleine-mccann/

Thanks almostgothic..........oh , it has to be the Burglers!!!


Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said last week that the Scotland Yard investigation was focused on three people but did not give further details."

quickfingers wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544750/Scotland-Yard-detectives-investigating-Madeleine-McCann-case-step-closer-making-arrests-official-bid-interview-three-suspects.html

A spokesman for the country's top law officer confirmed it was in receipt of an International Letter of Request thought to ask for access to three 'prime suspects' - but declined to discuss its contents

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry and claimed officers under disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral achieved "very little" during their 15 month investigation


Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the Met operation, has said he continues to believe Madeleine is still alive.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents has described the International Letter of Request as a significant development.

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So the "three suspects" are in rabbit ears - they aren't as far as we or anyone ELSE knows "suspects" - they are in fact people SY wants to question.

As far as Amaral's (disgraced cop- how do we know this? because he was removed, he's disgraced? will Andy Redwood also enjoy that description, once he has found very little?) achievement, I don't believe SY has found anything either, so...

I don't think Redwood has said MM is still alive. He said she COULD BE. that leaves it open that she COULD BE dead. So - net net, they have nothing but the lack of information as to what has happened.

I think we know who the spokesman is - I hope he's right that this is a significant development, but he's had that opinion a number of times before, which have turned out to be nothing.

Besides - what if they call in the 3, and they say they saw a great hub-bub around the McCann dwelling, at 930? What if their information is that they called off the night's burglaring, based on the number of folks out looking, after 10PM? or after 940 PM?

If we can't even get the dads taking their kids home to call the police to say "that was me out carrying my kid" why would we think that possible burglars would call in to suggest that while they were on their rounds, they saw this or that - they wouldn't call in. The cops were on it - there was no reason for them to call and ID themselves, lest they become persons of interest.

The fact that the actual persons of interest were allowed to get off without cooperating with the police would send a stsrong message to the burglars or others in the area, that police were looking not for those responsible, but for scapegoats.

we re sending letters of request.
they haven't got them yet
they got them today.
how can anyone make this into such a big article.

widowan wrote:He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry and claimed officers under disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral achieved "very little" during their 15 month investigation

Now that's a bit rich claiming that the PJ achieved very little in their 15 month investigation! Was it actually 15 months, or was it indeed much less when Kate refused to answer police questions and the friends refused to do the reconstruction and the case had to be shelved? At least the PJ came up with the two most likely suspects, the McCanns themselves, who admittedly were the last to see Madeleine alive and had more holes than truth in their various accounts of the evening's events.

How long has SY been on this case? How much have they achieved, even with the benefit of all of the official PJ files? Oh yes, of course, the answer is zero, nada, nothing! If the PJ achieved "very little" during their investigation, then the Met have achieved squat!

This is not a significant development, and the people are not "prime suspects." Unless of course those suspects are the McCanns plus one.

(CNN) -- Authorities in Portugal have received a letter from British prosecutors asking to interview people there in connection with the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the authorities told CNN on Thursday.

So show me, where's the bit about "arrests"?

Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Because the Met can't arrest ANYONE in Portugal, that would be the job of the Portuguese.

And what "authorities"? The police, the government, what?

From British "prosecutors". Does that mean the CPS? Or the McCann rent-a-cops? Why doesn't it say "from Scotland Yard" or "from the Met"?

Has Redwood done a new check on whether these phones are still in use???? If so, and the Burglars know it is them being checked, they will dump the phones in the nearest river.

That Wail article is full of the usual pink shite, disgraced detectives and Shortbread Tin Maddie photos, and it's really funny (not) how it's all been published on the eve of the reopening of the libel trial.